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Sunday, August 26, 2012

Retribution 1

“He deserves to be in prison because of the baby he had with Jill Odom.”

This assertion comes up a lot; it’s a complex question to answer. Why should anyone, who's ever done anything wrong, expect fairness?  Why shouldn't we make people pay for wrong-doing through any means possible?

I want to deal with this in three parts, the first of which is…

Why do people say this?

The first thing you have to do is figure out what they think supports their argument; is it 'retribution', or 'cause and effect?' According to Google, retribution means “Punishment that is morally right and fully deserved.” Dictionary.com defines cause-and-effect as "noting a relationship between actions or events such that one or more are the result of the other or others. "

     Cause and Effect:

Let’s say you pop some LSD (Yes, my drug lingo is severely outdated; sorry.) Years later, you get flashbacks and neurological problems that ruin your life. The same people that ask the question above would probably say “That’s your punishment for doing drugs.”

Well, who the hell is punishing you? God? Karma? No. The problems are directly caused by a choice you made. Knowingly or unknowingly, when you took the LSD, you accepted the responsibility for any damage it might do to you. It’s not a punishment; it’s the result of something you did.

Carlos Coy made a choice early in life; he may one day have to answer for it in court. In the State of Texas, it’s a crime to have sex with a minor, whether you know they’re a minor or not. If you’re banging someone, you have accepted the responsibility of knowing for a fact that they are legal. If you fail to ensure that, you’ve created the cause. The legal situation that follows will be the effect.

Knowing, however, that Coy was never tried for the Odom case means it’s untrue to say that his conviction had anything to do with it. It may have lengthened his sentence, because she was brought in to testify during the punishment phase, but it’s also possible that her testimony was the reason he didn’t get life, which is what the prosecutors were trying for.

Now, what if their idea is that 45 in prison was appropriate retribution for what happened with Jill Odom?

Maybe it would have been, maybe it wouldn’t. The problem is that he was never tried for it, which means that, as I understand it, no punishment would be appropriate. The state defines what a crime is, but is not allowed to punish you for it until it’s been proven; if we accept that you're not really innocent (in the eyes of the law) until proven guilty, then why should anyone get a trial? We're all guilty of something, whether it's smoking weed in college, stepping on the endangered-toad-of-the-week, or digging in your yard without getting permission from the power company.

It’s why, in theory, the justice system exists. We give them permission to exact retribution as an impartial arbiter; an un-attached entity that can stride into an emotional situation and make unemotional, just decisions. They’re not supposed to be lashing out wildly at people without due process in each case.

Last of all, some people will tell you that God, or Karma, or the Giant Spaghetti Monster are using this questionable conviction to punish Coy for a different sin; in this case, your best bet is to smile politely and back away, unless you enjoy religious discussions and pondering the nature of God and whether or not He punishes people for sin. Have fun with that, but it’s not my thing.


Anonymous said...

This is soo true.. Nice post..

Anonymous said...

Hey incandesio thanks for the updates. i do believe carlos is in prison for a crime he did not commit. do you know if carlos knew jill odems age before he got her pregnant ? if he were to ever get released can they still take him to court for getting jill odem pregnant ?

mad82109 said...

If they haven't tried him for this, yes they can. If they have which I don't think they did, they can't. There's a thing called double jeopardy which means once your tried for a crime, regardless of the outcome you can't be tried for that same crime again. Ex: in Florida when Casey Anthony got tried for the murder of her daughter,with tons of evidence and was proven innocent; they can't go back into court and try to convict her. Meaning she could literally go on TV and say,"yeah I did do this or that to my daughter" and there isn't anything anyone can do about it.

Incandesio said...

Coy has stated before that he didn't know her age; this seems to backed up by her testimony in court. You can see why I believe it's possible here: http://www.spmaftermath.com/search?q=personal+shit

In theory, yes, he could still go to court in the Odom case. He knows this. However, because the D.A.'s office didn't try it back in 2002, I suspect it was because Odom herself did not wish to press charges.

Incandesio said...


That's a good answer, I believe you're right.

Anonymous said...

stupid motherfuckers dont know shit...they just mad cause SPM will always be the best, or hating Mexicans

Anonymous said...

Good post J you hit the jackpot with this. I was a young juvi once who lived his life ahead of my time. I got my first baby momma pregnant at 15 years old and she was 22 years old. Sounds crazy I know I ran game on her and told her that I was 18 years old., I had a whip and a place I was successful of the illegal things I was doing when she found out she was like what the hell.... Yea, till this day we are still together and married Im 30 years old and a very successful person, haters always will have something to say and with SPM and his case haters will always talk down but its okay we cant kill all these muthafuckas but we can kill them with success while they sit on the computer doing nothing just getting on other peoples bidness. Anyhow free dat boi SouthPark Mexican aka Carlos Quintero, As I sit hit here jamming dat SPM Power Moves the RIP DJ Screw mix.....wished he would've put chops on it...... I love you Incandesio you are a down chic!!! we need more people like you.

Meskinkid said...

Incandesio can you send SPM this question.

Why does juan gotti rap "the forgotten verse" by SPM on the beginning of Dope house family